[RULES] Prohibit "fag", "faggot" and "gay"

[Burnedgrass]

With the recent rule update for the "n word" to be prohibited completely, I want to suggest a new rule change that should be included in 1.1, or that Admins start to take actions against people using it. Far too many people here use "gay", "fag" or "faggot" as a joke with friends, which is completely wrong. I'm guilty of it too. To be honest, it's very insensitive towards the homosexual community or homosexual players on our server. It's not right to use "faggot", which is a derogatory term towards homosexuals as a joke. You're basically using a word that people use to be rude towards homosexuals with, as a joke. It's not cool at all. And people should stop calling people "gay" as a joke too. Why the fuck are you using a term for a sexual orientation as a fucking insult? Sure, your intention wasn't probably to be rude towards the homosexual community, but it doesn't matter. It's offensive. It just shows how some players here are insensitive towards homosexuals. Much like how the n-word was banned here. Your intention might not have been to be rude against African Americans, but it doesn't matter.

The word gay shouldn't be banned, since gay can be used to state your sexual orientation, but it should be banned as an insult. Fag and faggot should though, and no, nobody here uses fag to say that it's a cigar. If they really do, then they can use cigarette or cigar or whatever the fuck, as long as it isn't fag.

Shit like this SHOULD NOT be allowed. Why are you using gay as an insult for joking? Use something else that doesn't flame sexual orientations, ethnicities or whatever.

Friend 1: "Dude you suck at DM im gonna kill you"
Friend 2: *Kills Friend 1*
Friend 1: U damn gay XD
Friend 2: xD

People who bring no arguments can go waste someone elses time.

[Rick]

It was not a rule update. It was a rule reminder for admins but yes we will punish players if they use the words you mentionned within a negative way. But I think we are already punishing the players who abuse the words you mentionned

[Burnedgrass]

It was not a rule update. It was a rule reminder for admins but yes we will punish players if they use the words you mentionned within a negative way. But I think we are already punishing the players who abuse the words you mentionned

Not to go off the topic, but as I understood it the rule was only if you were using it in a disrespectful way, and not as a friendly thing.

anyways, I don't really see anybody get punished over it but, I'll take your word for it and hope that the Admins here start addressing this problem. Thanks.

[Beer]

Not to go off the topic, but as I understood it the rule was only if you were using it in a disrespectful way, and not as a friendly thing.

anyways, I don't really see anybody get punished over it but, I'll take your word for it and hope that the Admins here start addressing this problem. Thanks.

I'd remember that I was punished for using the N word. Even [.ZF.]EduardoFH85 got banned for using the N word while he was just posting NWA lyrics in the chat.

The rule was always there, but Admins became easy on it untill now.

[LorSimon]

First of all, I'm gonna leave it clear: I'm not even a fan of saying "nigga" (I barely use it); but, I think this rule is just stupid and it's not coherent with the time we're living in. This rule would be ok for the 80's (maybe even 90's) or less, but it's fucking 2016. This is just going backwards and show a retrograde way of thinking. Everyone knows times have changed, and "nigga" doesn't have the same context it used to have before. Now it is used in other ways, like a form of saying just "friend" (I would say nowadays nigga is used like that, the 90%+ percent of the times).

Not a secret I'm not "active" anymore, but I don't even need to be active to notice how the player count has decreased a lot (mainly in certain timezones). Even forum activity has decreased a looot as well (the forum always used to be enternaining for me before, but now the activity is so low that it tends to be boring AF). I think rules like these, are the least convenient thing for GamerX right now, when the player count is clearly going down. I, myself, have even thought about becoming active again, but I just see stuff like these and I think "damn, I won't even use the forum again..."

Plus, BG is totally right. There are many words that could be offensive, not only "nigga". Why not censoring them as well? It just doesn't make sense to censore only "nigga", even if it's used as a way of saying "friend", but leaving the other 1000 words that could be offensive as well... Seriously, I hope you take the time to re-think this decision. It's ok that you "don't want players to get offended", but this rule just makes not sense anymore in 2016. Plus, we already said other good argument why this rule shouldn't exist.

[Nate]

I think rules like these, are the least convenient thing for GamerX right now, when the player count is clearly going down. I, myself, have even thought about becoming active again, but I just see stuff like these and I think "damn, I won't even use the forum again..."

If censorship of one word stops you wanting to use the forum again then that's just sad xD

And if you're implying these rules have reduced our player count, look at other servers - they have less players these days too, SAMP is just less popular now lol.

Edit:

For the record, we don't care if anyone uses these words in clan chats or PMs with their friends, so I think its fair enough for everyone. You can still joke around with friends and what not. We started to receive complaints that the language in main chat was becoming too offensive at times, so we tried to find a fair solution (just enforcing a rule that already existed).

Yes maybe it is a minority that finds this kind of language offensive, but we try to make everyone happy and I'm sure its not hard to keep this language to your own clan chats or PMs. It is a bit selfish to argue against a rule because it doesn't suit your interests (or your close friends here), there are many other players who you don't speak for. This server is for everyone and not just a certain group.

So basically, use whatever language you wish in your clan chats (I'm sure some people realise this already) but try to be sensible in the main chat and forums - that would be appreciated thanks.

[LorSimon]

If censorship of one word stops you wanting to use the forum again then that's just sad xD

It's not "the censorship of one word", it's what that represents. By adding this rule, you're showing how the old GamerX style is coming back. Where admins used to blindly punish people, without having the context into account. I guess you already know how much I've always criticized when admins arbitrarily punish people without thinking further, and what's behind. I see these rules coming back, and I just see the old GamerX coming back (everyone knows how much I hated the way old admins used to be).

We started to receive complaints that the language in main chat was becoming too offensive at times, so we tried to find a fair solution

A fair solution would be to punish players when they use this word with offensive purposes. Absolutely banning this word in main chat, is not really fair; it just makes people feel oppressed a not comfortable ('cause of the fact "nigga" is nowadays a common way of saying friend, and it's a part of a daily normal speech even in real life).

It is a bit selfish to argue against a rule because it doesn't suit your interests (or your close friends here)

My own interest? lol. I already mentioned since the beginning I don't even use this word that much. I guess you're saying I'm against this rule 'cause of my 27's friends? Well, feel free to take a look at admin section, and see the post I made "N word and being hypocrit" (I think that was the name). I had already discussed in the past how this word should be allowed 'cause of the new trends and stuff. It is a part of new generations and you can't go against it; you just have to adapt yourself -notice how the post I made in the past, was made before I even started to talk to my friends from 27 clan (persil, eliteus etc.)-

Also, you all are actually the ones being selfish. You're enforcing a rule 'cause of a minority (you even admitted yourself it was a minority), meanwhile the rest who are clearly a bigger amount, don't want this rule. So again, who are the ones being selfish? you're not really "making everyone happy" by adding this rule, you're just making the mayority feel uncomfortable about it.

[Delija]

Ok first i want to say about "Nigga" thing. I don't really use this word except with Manager Left as i don't really find anything special or funny in saying it. In the past i never really knew what is racist here and i still don't ,since i live in a country where basicly nothing is taken as racist.

And before people starts attacking me i had nothing to do with this reminder with "Nigga" word, but i as usually support my team and i'm fine with this rule since you people can still use it in private.

But I think we are already punishing the players who abuse the words you mentionned

We don't punish players that are using "fag ; faggot ; gay" untill person complains that it's insulting them.

Player A: you are gay Player B
Player B: Uses report command
Admin: warns player A.

First of all, I'm gonna leave it clear: I'm not even a fan of saying "nigga" (I barely use it); but, I think this rule is just stupid and it's not coherent with the time we're living in. This rule would be ok for the 80's (maybe even 90's) or less, but it's fucking 2016. This is just going backwards and show a retrograde way of thinking. Everyone knows times have changed, and "nigga" doesn't have the same context it used to have before. Now it is used in other ways, like a form of saying just "friend" (I would say nowadays nigga is used like that, the 90%+ percent of the times).

You do not live in countries where "Nigga" is racist. And we didn't recive one complain that saying "nigga" is insulting them it was a lot of complains.

Not a secret I'm not "active" anymore, but I don't even need to be active to notice how the player count has decreased a lot (mainly in certain timezones). Even forum activity has decreased a looot as well (the forum always used to be enternaining for me before, but now the activity is so low that it tends to be boring AF). I think rules like these, are the least convenient thing for GamerX right now, when the player count is clearly going down. I, myself, have even thought about becoming active again, but I just see stuff like these and I think "damn, I won't even use the forum again..."

Is it decresing ? Well here are proofs for you that it's not decresing it's actually the same as usually.



As i don't know are normal players allowed to see these graphs ( i'd say they are allowed as it can't really harm GamerX by giving people the link. I'll check it out with Owners and then post the link of graphs but for now there are pictures.)

Forum activity it's normal as usually as well. (Zoom in so you can see the pic, sadly no one can see these statistics as only forum Administrators has permisions to see them. I can take a pic from begging of time till now of activity it's not a problem)

If you don't like it we can't help you with it ,sorry but that's how it is , we can't make everyone happy here it's normal. We won't really beg people to stay and we won't really do what they want , we'll do what most of server wants.

Plus, BG is totally right. There are many words that could be offensive, not only "nigga". Why not censoring them as well? It just doesn't make sense to censore only "nigga", even if it's used as a way of saying "friend", but leaving the other 1000 words that could be offensive as well... Seriously, I hope you take the time to re-think this decision. It's ok that you "don't want players to get offended", but this rule just makes not sense anymore in 2016. Plus, we already said other good argument why this rule shouldn't exist.

It is true that there are many words that can and are actually offensive but c'mon people why are you all bitching just because you are not allowed to say it in main chat anymore ? I don't really get it , you want attention or what ? I'd completly understand if this post was made if we banned "nigga" word everywhere ( in private, in public , on forum etc ). Why can't you just use it in private it was already mentioned that you are using it with your friends so why is it hard to type /pm friend NIGGA or use the clan chat and write NIGGA or use /setpc friend NIGGA , just why is it hard?

It's not "the censorship of one word", it's what that represents. By adding this rule, you're showing how the old GamerX style is coming back. Where admins used to blindly punish people, without having the context into account. I guess you already know how much I've always criticized when admins arbitrarily punish people without thinking further, and what's behind. I see these rules coming back, and I just see the old GamerX coming back (everyone knows how much I hated the way old admins used to be).

GamerX never actually changed except two things, i became much more friendlier with Admins while i was still active and while i was still Leading the server , and like 3 weeks ago i resinged from that position as i got sick of people that are just complaining on my work here and i became inactive since i'm not really in mood to be pist off 24/7 just because some people can't accept some stuff that i actually had good reasons to make (last one was why i unbanned some people) or i got told by Owners to do it.

That's the only thing that changed here and nothing else.

A fair solution would be to punish players when they use this word with offensive purposes. Absolutely banning this word in main chat, is not really fair; it just makes people feel oppressed a not comfortable ('cause of the fact "nigga" is nowadays a common way of saying friend, and it's a part of a daily normal speech even in real life).

We did made a fair solution because more than 50% of active users including TPS and some Admins did complain that saying nigga is bothering them while i only see like 8+ users using "nigga" word in main chat so are we actually not fair ? We are fair since we didn't ban the "nigga" thing in private , maybe this is unfair to you and some people here but no one can always be fair to everyone.

My own interest? lol. I already mentioned since the beginning I don't even use this word that much. I guess you're saying I'm against this rule 'cause of my 27's friends? Well, feel free to take a look at admin section, and see the post I made "N word and being hypocrit" (I think that was the name). I had already discussed in the past how this word should be allowed 'cause of the new trends and stuff. It is a part of new generations and you can't go against it; you just have to adapt yourself -notice how the post I made in the past, was made before I even started to talk to my friends from 27 clan (persil, eliteus etc.)-

I answered on this already saying that you are not living in countries where "Nigga" is taken as insult.

Also, you all are actually the ones being selfish. You're enforcing a rule 'cause of a minority (you even admitted yourself it was a minority), meanwhile the rest who are clearly a bigger amount, don't want this rule. So again, who are the ones being selfish? you're not really "making everyone happy" by adding this rule, you're just making the mayority feel uncomfortable about it.

The truth is it's not a minority , while i was Leading and while i was 24/7 on irc i did recived bunch of complains about it but i never had time to deal with it neither i told anyone about it since i'm working from 7am to 6pm sometimes even till 9pm so i can't make everything in time and i'm very sorry for not looking into that problem before (for people that i didn't answer on IRC when they sent me this message or on forum i apologise since i wasn't on PC + i got a lot of unreaded messages on forum). For those who thinks i'm lying about forum

We're not selfish , as i said i see like 10+ users using "nigga" in main chat so i don't really call this as bigger ammount. We can't make everyone happy.




And once again i still don't see why are you people arguing about this if you can still use it everywhere except in public(main chat, forum, GX IRC channels).


Does people think that their jokes with usage of "nigga" in main chat is funny well it actually isn't. It was said people are using "nigga" with friends well then use it in private with friends and we won't punish you i don't think that's hard to use it in private.



P.S i never actually write this much but i'm really tired of people crying for every single thing.

P.S I personally would remove the rule that is not allowing swearing, insulting and nigga word since this game is 18+ and in 2016 swearing and insulting is nothing new it's happening everywhere at everytime but that's just my wish that will never happen.


EDIT:

Forgot to add for forum, forum is boring as fuck you say ,well we're not 9gag or what ever site that is posting funny stuff every hour so don't expect it to be epicly funny and awesome and spend 10 hours daily on it to laugh and post things.

Also this is not a porn site where you'll be happy masturbating and making yourself happy and watch pictures of naked females and males and find it interesting.


Jesus people you all are crying like GamerX is a company that you are working for.

[Eliteus]

Not going to make an argument for the word nigga. I sort of agree with the reason in a way although I still stand by the words of this being an 18+ game and people need to man up. Anyway that rule won't be changed at all - however the main suggestion isn't being answered here - I mean yes, this example was given:

We don't punish players that are using "fag ; faggot ; gay" untill person complains that it's insulting them.

Player A: you are gay Player B
Player B: Uses report command
Admin: warns player A.

It should be the case with nigga too to be fair. However since that won't be changed, other word rules should be changed then.

Player A: hi gay
Admin: warns player A.

Quite like how this WOULD happen:

Player A: hi nigga
Admin: warns player A.

[LorSimon]

Lol, seems that the "activity" thingy hurted your feelings since you all keep focusing on that and it wasn't even the main point. Anyway, I'm gonna explain: I CLEARLY SAID "ACTIVITY IN CERTAIN TIMEZONES". By certain timezones, I meant my own timezone, mainly at nights. You're sleeping by that time, so I guess you can't notice it. I have checked the player count sometimes at night (colombian night), and I have seen an average of 20 players online. That wasn't happening by the time I was active. If you don't believe me, ask beats or another admin who's active at that timezone, it clearly decreased (sometimes I even see only 10 players online...)

I even took this pic today. Sunday 3:08 PM colombia. By this time, a sunday, there used to be more players than that. It used to be around 70.


About forum activity, lol. You're just showing statistics from the 3 last months, and I am comparing the current activity with the one there used to be in 2015 and starting this 2016. So yeah, your pic is useless for this case. And it's actually funny, cause the pic you showed, actually supports what I say, and shows activity decreased this month lmao.... So, I guess, thanks for confirmating what I said??

Numbers for september in your graphic: 152, 159, 150, 158, 154, 138, 146, 160, 148, 149, 153, 162, 158, 142, 141, 149, 147, 157, 165, 141, 147, 139, 133, 140 -----> the minimum is 133

Numbers for november in your graphic: 137, 115, 135, 129, 145 -----------> the minimum is 115

It is true that there are many words that can and are actually offensive but c'mon people why are you all bitching just because you are not allowed to say it in main chat anymore ? I don't really get it , you want attention or what ?

Now expressing our opinion is bitching and seeking for attention... lol. Seems this shit will never finish in GamerX... If you consider that players' opinions is bitching and attention whoring, lemme tell you that you're fucking wrong. Seems there will NEVER be a day in gamerx where you could make a post expresing what you think, and not being called attention whore or that you're "bitching". That just sucks.

We did made a fair solution because more than 50% of active users including TPS and some Admins did complain that saying nigga is bothering them

"50% of active users" Lmao. That actually made me laugh because I'm pretty sure it's not even a 10%. You haven't asked the whole GamerX what they think, like to say it's the "50%".

Forgot to add for forum, forum is boring as fuck you say ,well we're not 9gag or what ever site that is posting funny stuff every hour so don't expect it to be epicly funny and awesome and spend 10 hours daily on it to laugh and post things.

Also this is not a porn site where you'll be happy masturbating and making yourself happy and watch pictures of naked females and males and find it interesting.

Jesus people you all are crying like GamerX is a company that you are working for.

Look, since the beginning I tried to discuss this in a kind of "formal" way, and avoid being "agressive", but seems it is fucking impossible here, since your answer is clearly attacking me in a certain agressive way. WHO THE FUCK said I wanted porn here or some shit like that to be entertained? I said the forum was boring lately, 'cause THE ACTIVITY WAS LOWER. So, stop bullshitting me please.

we'll do what most of server wants.

Ok, I hope that's true. Let's make a poll about it and show that "you do what most of the server wants". If the results show that they want "nigga" to be banned, then I'm totally fine with that. I like democracy. But if the mayority wants "nigga" to be allowed in public when it's not used as offesive, then I hope you keep that word.

[LorSimon]

I don't think this post counts as "double posting" 'cause it's to update something that I already say almost 4 hours ago. Also I want to focus this post only on the topic abot "activity" and add more images later.



And you say the "player count hasn't decreased"???? 25 players 6:45PM colombia, and SUNDAY. Usually there are more people on sundays, 'cause it's a weekend, and there you see only 25 players... But ok, keep fooling yourself and think that player count isn't decreasing...

Also, it is even more empty at later hours. I'll try to post other pics later to answer your "player count is the same" pff.

7:18PM colombia, 18 players...

[Robo]

This is a bit off topic actually,

Why are you saying that? Where did you get proof or feedback of why people leaving this server. Is it mostly because "i can't use N word"?
Let me tell you what time is 3:08 PM Colombia comparing to my timezone (GMT+7) where some of majority players (vietnameses) are at. 3:08 PM Sunday GMT-5 to GMT+7 is 3:08 AM Monday. I am using this converter page to check: https://greenwichmeantime.com/gmt-converter/
Mathematically, 15 + 5 + 7 = 27 or 24 + 3 when converted to hours.
We are already sleeping/preparing to school/work to do activities in monday morning, except for me today, since i have a break in monday.
You can call it that we are losing player count if only that majority of players are colombians and americans. (sadly, in fact we talk too much about vietnameses, and most of tps/admins are in europe/africa timezone)

We are the players that can speak english and a regular players are the minorities. We are just 10-20 of them when they are about 60+ of online 100 players scale.

I hope you are not having difficulty on reading graphs. The graph that was posted by Delija is not created by Delija himself, but it is an automated machine that counts the players, this is part of administrative data, i have been used this as "2015 Statistics" if you remember that thread when you were admin.
However, what Delija posted is in range of Hours, Day, Week (week, not month), and 2nd pic are Month and Year.
So lets review the graph again

The Monthly graph shows in week range of Week 41 to Week 44 (therefore, 4 weeks are called "monthly")
Since it starts at week 41, that's mean the data starts at 10th October 2016 (Week 41 of the year) where i underlined it at the minimum players count are around 30 (in graph scale of 0 to 160 with N = 20, max = 180).
The yearly graph shows in year range (unfortunately just from April 2016 due to limit of storage, so older records are removed), where i underlined it at the minimum players count are around 40 (in graph scale of 0 to 150 with N = 50, max = 200).

Also please note the label where it says "(1 Day Average)" of the last graph. And the player count where it says "Including NPCs" so you can compare it to your SA-MP browser pics where it appears as 18 players (but the graph counts it with +21 NPCs) so we can understand it from the graph that is around 39 Players right? However this is not absolute, since at some times NPCs might be disconnected.

Perhaps i need to upgrade my eyeglasses? Sorry for my bad eyesight. Yea i know you are going to say you are good at graphs etc, and so i'm bad yeah, okay.

EDIT: Oh sorry, i forgot to revise the post, you mean those 133 and 115 are forum activities right? That is number of posts and actions in forums (such as visitor messages, private messages, group messages, moderation, etc), including login. (It's not Forum online counts!)

And those minimum you said "115" is in 2nd November 2016, where it is Wednesday, Not weekend
And those minimum you said "133" is in 29th September 2016, where it is Thursday, Not weekend

But however, you should call "weekend" where it's Friday for you... There are alot of online players as the graph shows (which reached its peak) from 4, 5, 6 November in 3rd graph.

Last word, how online player counts in Weekends is so close with "N" words? Did you mean that there are so many "N" word user in weekends only? What logically or makes sense is that people comes to play in weekend because they have break/no school or no work. Not because they cannot use "N" word in the other day

Just that for now from my voice. I just want to make clear the statement, that Delija is not providing fake/manipulated datas. And there is no mismatch between our data. Sorry for my bad english

[LorSimon]

Where did I say the reason why players are leaving? did I say it? copy and paste it and show me please. I said player count is CLEARLY DECREASING but I DIDN'T SAY WHY. I leave it free of interpretations (I have my own one, but I won't say it here). Also, I said that now that the player count is decreasing, is not convenient to make rules that PLAYERS don't want. I repeat: PLAYERS not admins. Before you tell me something: yes, admins are players but I'm not counting them as normal players since admins are here for other reasons (now I don't want a 5 pages discussion about admins being players or not).

Seems you didn't take a look well on everything we talked. The graphic I am talking about, is the forum activity one. Not in-game activity.



Take a look there and tell me if I am lying 'cause I clearly see those numbers:

Numbers for september in your graphic: 152, 159, 150, 158, 154, 138, 146, 160, 148, 149, 153, 162, 158, 142, 141, 149, 147, 157, 165, 141, 147, 139, 133, 140 -----> the minimum is 133

Numbers for november in your graphic: 137, 115, 135, 129, 145 -----------> the minimum is 115

[Robo]

Sorry, Look at my post again, i already revised

Indeed players counts are decreasing, but we do not know the exact reason of it right? Instead of thinking of coincidence or such. And unfortunately, the coincidence is with Forum Activities, not with in-game player counts where it stay at fixed amount. (Unless you start telling your friends to leave game to support your arguments here) However 133 to 115 decrease is not much. This is because i start being inactive in forum since September, and Delija stepped down on October where we used to moderate alot of posts in 2015 . So the coincidence part is because mostly impact to our forum activities. By doing this alot of posts and edits, we are just increasing it back again!

[Robo]

To avoid mistaken read of my edited post, i better post again:
Here was the 2015 Forum Statistics that i gather (it is located in Admin Forum):

Forum registrations	1610 accounts October : 178 -> spambots May : 174 June : 151 January : 142 July : 139 September : 135 March : 129 February : 127 April : 127 August : 110 November : 101 December : 97
Forum thread	3054 threads July : 314 December : 299 January : 287 October : 269 February : 258 May : 254 April : 249 March : 243 November : 241 August : 228 June : 225 September : 187
Forum post	20044 posts December : 2517 July : 2014 October : 1989 November : 1707 April : 1685 May : 1630 January : 1627 March : 1517 February : 1466 June : 1332 August : 1308 September : 1252
User activities	49970 total Peak: 171 @ October 30 Lowest: 106 @ June 05
Most Online	4,339 @ 12-06-2015 03:43 AM.
Moderator actions (edit post, move, delete, rename, etc, including clan board moderators)	Show Moderators ↵ Delija : 1192 Robo_N1X : 1088 Blackbird : 530 remi : 520 Toxic_Ro : 512 Manuel[M4] : 338 Matite : 334 CasHewZ : 231 fernando : 229 VeNErA : 190 LorSimon : 169 Left : 166 Adrenaline : 149 Nate : 148 Bloodcell : 137 Ethan : 123 Kenneth : 121 Pirate : 113 RockingEvilZ : 107 Dream : 90 Jafri : 89 karizma : 85 garib_admi : 83 Maze : 77 xeek : 76 Abhay[A] : 72 Mousytom : 68 Lames : 67 Eclipsor : 64 Monno : 63 kqhk : 58 Rick : 56 nicoud : 55 Adriana : 48 [DC]Tocha : 40 Fenix : 38 Lilia : 37 wooolly : 36 Jumper : 34 izayoi : 26 Stefan : 26 Daylight : 23 Beer : 22 dani : 22 Northwest : 22 YungDre : 12 CoCoReNdAn : 8 Dan : 7 Kat : 7 soollaimane : 7 PotatoWasTaken : 5 NightMareX : 3 Roddja : 3 Gotnitro : 2 DeathBeatZ : 1 hiyah : 1

In fact that in 2015 lowest activity number was 106, it's even better than recent months which is just as low as 115! So i don't think it's "decreasing", but "increasing"!

EDIT: You are not going to believe me that spambot actions also counts (remember about DiscolouredFrog's thread?), what we have done is we fixed the registration and spambots amount were reduced, it does not mean that user activities are decreased, it's just those naught spambots gets counted. Yeah you are good at Informatics i know, and i am bad.

So overall, Don't forget about Good Bots and Naughty Bots, they are included in our statistics

Please don't save it, since it's mean to be administrative data, i will delete the post later.