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  • #16
    The finish spectate mode automatically respawn you because it's made that way by SA:MP when a server toggles off the spectate mode from a player. It's not because server forced the player to respawn. You can make it to teleport back where the player was at. But still you will have to respawn first.

    Newbies are not aware of /spec, this just not simply available in most other SA-MP Servers.

    Sprint stamina isn't part of gamemode script, therefore it's not on control yet, they are just client sided and can be always cheated unless server regularly checks the player animation, just like flying swim hack or can be sometimes desynced. So it's not a bug with the server.

    The /spec command has been abused many times already since long time ago.

    Using /kill in minigame doesn't reset your killing spree, killing spree does not get increased nor decreased in minigame or event.

    /sprint are sometimes desynced with other players, they are animation forced by server, not by client. So i'm not sure it has effect with stamina.

    Again if you are wondering why timers, delays, updates, are very hard to get implemented, that's because scripters will always consider the use, it's not like we can add and run 100 timers at once easily, or regularly checks everything, trace everything, the script ability is not that strong. It does not run in many threads but only one thread, so optimization is important thing on process, times and updates. Game server has tick rates, read more here for explanation.

    About respawn or spawn at different position, we have experienced it by giving trusted players ability to set their custom spawn location, just in 2 days it gets abused by Trusted Player, comparing to normal players, i don't believe it wont be abused.

    /spec was made to spectate someone playing (like stunting, or dming), or for making movies, or when you suspect cheater, but it's not primary for that.

    P-GOO with /spec is not also primary thing, it's not a requirements that P-GOO must be always made with /spec the TPs.

    It's not player's job to check cheaters, or to make sure that they are cheating or not, it's admins job. /report is available for players to notice admins that someone might be rulebreaking. Even you are very sure that player rulebreaks, admins will watch again, they do not just punish the player directly by just looking at your report. And the admins will not punish you either if your report is wrong.

    I, and some other admins just don't really like players that comes here to stay at spawn watching or always /spectating the whole players in the server, thinking that they are helping admins much and can be a TP.
    Admins doesn't /spec all players regularly, we are here to protect the game from unfair actions, and to help them to have fun. So players are expected more to have fun. If there are cheaters in server, it's not the players fault for not reporting them, it's the admins because it's their responsibility. Logically you will think "Omg that server has alot cheaters, maybe they dont have anticheats or admins" not "Omg that server has alot cheaters, maybe the players never report!"

    This idea might be good for admins as they would really need it more than normal players. About forcing /respawn (on a player) i think i suggested this to admins a long time ago already. (sorry i have to leak this since this discussion went too far).

    I think i would category this suggestion as lazy thing, they have negative effects as my observation. Like /togglegoto that has shortcut to /tg, i find out that many noobs (that regularly play but loves rulebreaking and playing unfairly) telling a newbie via a pm (that doesn't know anything yet) to /tg them so they can teleport to the player and kill them. I mean it's like "/tg myid!", newbies would be aware more if it was "/togglegoto myid!".

    I'm not going to talk about armor and health or weapons thing, i want to explain more from what i said in my previous post that having thing like this just like ghosting, you disappear and appear again fooling the target, you will start to think that they are using teleport cheat, beside the fact that players or even trusted players doesn't know who is spectating them or others.

    I just think that having this idea accepted for players would just extend the possibility of the abusing by unfair players. It's really not needed for players that don't rule break like northwest said. This is not to make something cool (again).

    In short, the necessarily lever is not that much comparing to the risk.


    I'm not sure if you will contradict more even it's pointed out clearly the reason and the risk... or else i will just post the opinion that /spec should be made for Admins only. But surely opinions are welcome, until the suggestion got accepted or denied.
    Last edited by Robo; 13-03-16, 05:43 AM.
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    • #17
      No I'm not going to contradict anymore as you clearly stated it just isn't possible because like you said it will force you back to the respawn which I wasn't aware of. I thought it could be edited using pawn or something. About /respawn, I knew it'd cause rulebreaking but sounds like a cool feature. About stamina, I used to play in another server and when sprinting I'd never run out of breath, what are they doing in that server that we aren't doing in ours? I don't mind if admins hate that we use spec but what if we want to make sure? I mean usually hackers make it extremely obvious but in that rare occurence they just keep getting away. I don't see why admins hate us for doing that, we aren't trying to be admins but we want to get rid of the fucker who's hacking. Finally about the abusing, like I said anything can be abused and I even told Northwest some clear answers to the scenarios he used. It may not be needed by non-rulebreakers? I don't know what makes you say that because rulebreakers are usually nubs who are unaware of commands like this. I just want to repeat "It is annoying using /sp then having to start all the way from respawn point everytime". But like you said, it's not possible therefore I'm done here. It was a nice suggestion.
      Please stop asking why I got my admin status removed. I chose to be demoted and there's no drama behind it.

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      • #18
        Yep anything could be abused that's why i mentioned "extend the possibility" of being abused. By noobs i mean that they already know the way to gain advantages unfairly. You could see who has the highest /ks, i know how they did it (by rulebreaking) but i wont do it. I'm not saying it's not possible, it just that you have to respawn first, i wont say its good idea for admins if it's not even possible, it's sadly i have to leak the idea that was supposed to be made for admins. Because i'm sure sooner or later, TPs will start asking for admin feature like this for them.
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        • #19
          If it becomes an admin feauture so be it but it should be explained as to why it shouldn't be a feauture for everyone just like how you told me the reasons. Well it'd be a pretty cool admin feauture I guess but that's up to you admins and management to talk about that.
          Please stop asking why I got my admin status removed. I chose to be demoted and there's no drama behind it.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Robo_N1X View Post
            So you want to spec someone to find them where they are at and then kill them? Or you spectate to evade death and wait until the target player gone and you get back to your position instantly? No, this is too much can be abused a lot.

            Also i think this was suggested before and got so many negative feedback.
            Wow you are so piercing, could you stop think bad about players?
            his suggestion are common sense, if someone do it then that's why we have admins
            Last edited by KInta; 13-03-16, 12:04 PM.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Eliteus View Post
              If it becomes an admin feauture so be it but it should be explained as to why it shouldn't be a feauture for everyone just like how you told me the reasons. Well it'd be a pretty cool admin feauture I guess but that's up to you admins and management to talk about that.
              Well yeah i, and some other people already mentioned the reasons. Perhaps there are more?


              Originally posted by KInta View Post
              Wow you are so piercing, could you stop think bad about players?
              his suggestion are common sense, if someone do it then that's why we have admins
              The question is a sarcasm, not an offensive word. If you read the whole thread you will see that we found out his ideas are common sense.
              I never say that admin system in gamerx is best, we can't really depend on admins 100%, make all things and have rules each of feature (which most of new players don't have time to read them at all). Rulebreak on a feature happen because the feature existed, so everything (the necessarily, the importance) needs to be considered first. Admins existed because there are rulebreakers, if players only need help then there would be only Helpers or Support.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Robo_N1X View Post
                Well yeah i, and some other people already mentioned the reasons. Perhaps there are more?



                The question is a sarcasm, not an offensive word. If you read the whole thread you will see that we found out his ideas are common sense.
                I never say that admin system in gamerx is best, we can't really depend on admins 100%, make all things and have rules each of feature (which most of new players don't have time to read them at all). Rulebreak on a feature happen because the feature existed, so everything (the necessarily, the importance) needs to be considered first. Admins existed because there are rulebreakers, if players only need help then there would be only Helpers or Support.
                I know its sarcasm that's why I add "piercing" word cuz I can fell how hurt it was

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by KInta View Post
                  I know its sarcasm that's why I add "piercing" word cuz I can fell how hurt it was
                  Well he didn't know you were so sensitive that you would be hurt about something that's not directly pointed to you. But let's stay on topic, what do you think about the suggestion?
                  Please stop asking why I got my admin status removed. I chose to be demoted and there's no drama behind it.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Eliteus View Post
                    Well he didn't know you were so sensitive that you would be hurt about something that's not directly pointed to you. But let's stay on topic, what do you think about the suggestion?
                    The suggestion are great the people who are comment here are dumb except me

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by KInta View Post
                      The suggestion are great the people who are comment here are dumb except me
                      That's very kind of you! Have you bothered reading all the comments that others have posted? To me it doesn't seem so
                      Please stop asking why I got my admin status removed. I chose to be demoted and there's no drama behind it.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Next View Post
                        The worst idea i've ever heard, lul, /spec command is better like this, it gives you free health (without removing /ks), Respawn armor and weapons pickup, Help you to respawn to your spawn zone and let you change your class without getting more deaths (/TR2)
                        (i didn't mean that i use all these features during a fight xD)

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                        Ahhh i dont know but i dont think that this is the worst idea ever.Undoubtedly it gives u free health but at the same time takes the armour, am not against the current specsystem nor i hate it . Just im sharing my opinion for modification
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                        • #27
                          Thnx guys for sharing your views on this post. I may not be right but i think the current spec can be abused as well The idea is simple.. just to continue from the place where u have started to spec with your current guns and armour.Idea may b good/bad thats why u all guys deceide it.Some like it some dont.Keep sharing your views !!

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